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I did not trash her; I simply pointed out problems I had with her playing. There is a contradiction in your opinion - I have a right to my opinion but I am "trashing" her - the implication is the opposite of what you claim. Sure, free speech, but why? Some of us apparently, per Orwell, have more free speech than others.
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so you are keeping a chart? I am not a big fan of Peterson, Adams or Henderson; not sure what I might have said about Shorter or Hubbard (except I prefer Shorter's work with Miles to the dates under his own name; I am less enamored of his composing than many others are, though I think he was one of the greatest tenor players ever). Hubbard is great, leaves me cold sometimes. Am I offended that you like players I don't? No, I'm not, so you shouldn't be offended by the opposite. As for repetition, there is a difference between an approach that uses these phrases as a technique, per Waldron (and Monk). It is just clear to me in a lot of theses performances that she is straining, going on habit. As I said, I suspect it has to do with substance abuse. But once again I point out the silliness of people feeling offended by my disliking musicians that they like (and I am not talking about Pim). Have I ever accused anyone here of having an ulterior motive for liking O.P. (whose playing really offends me)? No. But I have been attacked here more than once for having an opinion that differs from the prevailing opinion. And it's tiresome. I welcome discussion and argument, but some of the prior implications here (in other, older threads) are out of line.
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the one time I saw her play, right at the beginning of her career, she seemed fine, but I listen to her now on line and I hear lots of little problems, including falling back on some of the same phrases repeatedly. I can only conclude that there was some kind of impairment. What does one do? I don't know exactly, but I think it's wrong to praise people for the wrong reasons. Editing of performances can be ok, depending how it is done, if it is just one or two spots, but on some of her stuff I hear a lot of problems. Think of Bird on Lover Man where he is clearly beat to hell; it's ok to listen to it but one has to be aware.
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If your implication (as others have made) is that I put down other music to elevate my own....well, you haven't read enough of my writing. There is a strange historical parallel here, of writers and others who wrote fiction/plays and who also wrote critically of other writers: Isaac Rosenfeld, Delmore Schwartz, Richard Gilman, George Bernard Shaw, Randall Jarrell, John Berryman, Harold Rosenberg - I doubt if you would criticize them in the same way though they were much more aggressive than I am. It's part of a give-and-take which few people engage in any more; criticism tends to read, these days, like press releases. But before you think ill off me for doing this kind of critical work, get a better sense of the history of American writing. There was a whole movement of the '40s and '50s called the New York Intellectuals, and my work is quite mild compared to theirs, though I am inspired by their willingness to question conventional wisdom, which is rampant in the jazz world. And I haven't mentioned Brecht, whose attacks on contemporary theater were detailed and devastating. And the truth is that much of what I say is agreed to by others who do not want to go public. I get private messages to this effect all the time.
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"Allen Lowe’s massive, five-hour opus may turn out to be one of the most important recordings of the 2020s, if only more people well spend time with it. Lowe’s music is personal, deeply thoughtful, and addictively listenable. Lowe spends a great deal of time reading, writing, and thinking about jazz and the blues, their intersection, the influences that birthed rock and roll, and he’s taken all that and channeled into five hours of horn-drenched, witty and delightful music." https://www.freejazzblog.org/2024/12/allen-lowe-constant-sorrow-orchestra.html strangely, the more reviews I get like this, the more depressed I get. I think it's called Inverse Reality.
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Rockland Palace was remastered and pitch corrected by Doug Pomeroy. There is a CD available: https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Legendary-Rockland-Palace-Dance/dp/B000001LZ4/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1QABCUVLXZ117&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qG-cuvDxcSIaGLr4BeH05yPGA9e8ISOOMv2N8LoWZlwoFY_hvBkzDnheWl1XjgQBc9pHs2rfoTD_l_rBG914Qyw-HA_V_bHNBuZAvHxG_3Q.ObkhEU0i8EZRm_cftnhb8ZTdVOjTl6yTCMRxnXc1vP0&dib_tag=se&keywords=charlie+Parker+rockland+palace&qid=1735493632&sprefix=charlie+parker+rockland+palace%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-3 Rockland Palace was speed corrected and remastered by Doug Pomeroy: https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Legendary-Rockland-Palace-Dance/dp/B000001LZ4/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1QABCUVLXZ117&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qG-cuvDxcSIaGLr4BeH05yPGA9e8ISOOMv2N8LoWZlwoFY_hvBkzDnheWl1XjgQBc9pHs2rfoTD_l_rBG914Qyw-HA_V_bHNBuZAvHxG_3Q.ObkhEU0i8EZRm_cftnhb8ZTdVOjTl6yTCMRxnXc1vP0&dib_tag=se&keywords=charlie+Parker+rockland+palace&qid=1735493632&sprefix=charlie+parker+rockland+palace%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-3
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More troubling to me are her constant technical problems; she flubs phrases on both the purported "Moanin" (which is all cliche and lots of slips; she really cannot handle the tempo) - and Even on Cisco, which is much better, but on which she slips a few times and tends to fall back on stock phrases. Not my favorite guitarist. Maybe it was drug stuff, but the more I listen to her the more weary I get of her resort to blue cliches (and hear her mess up on the closing melody statement of "Cisco.") (yes I know, not the correct title). And the wrong note she plays at 11:51 on Cisco.
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Two surprises for me were Patty Waters - a few years back she wanted to record with me but I felt terrible and could not do it because her voice was completely gone, so I had to make up some excuse - and Steve Silberman, a terrific writer who wrote probably the definitive book on autism. Also a nice guy.
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I love Smith. One interesting thing that I was told was that he was born in Mississippi to a mixed-race couple (I think his mother was African American). This could not hve been easy, especially in those years. I won't order CDRs; but if you figure that each blank costs them maybe 25 cents, and if they charge $15 for each and sell 100 they are making at least $1000 profit, subtracking some production costs. So that's not bad; if they sell out they just make 100 more. And, I will add, it's a pity they didn't do more work on those; the sound can be improved hugely through a simple re-EQ.
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JazzTimes is back!
AllenLowe replied to EKE BBB's topic in Jazz In Print - Periodicals, Books, Newspapers, etc...
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thanks, I had seen something by Tom but not that. As I like to point out, I am pretty much the only non-working musician who makes these lists; same thing happened two years ago. I have a few things next year, but these days the gigs in NYC are controlled by young musicians who don't know me and who tend to book their friends. But I will keep trying.
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Really the Blues? My new Avant Roots Trio: Beneath the Blues
AllenLowe replied to AllenLowe's topic in Miscellaneous Music
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people used to get mad at me here when I criticized jazz players for only scratching the surface of deep blues playing (or the Hard Blues as Julius Hemphill used to call it). Well, I never get much response here, but eff-it, I carry on although, as I said recently, I seem to have reached the jazz mandatory retirement age; meaning, I cannot get gigs. A lot of the clubs in NYC are being booked by very young players, who, if you are not famous or their friend, will not even check you out. So here is something we did with my new trio, the bassist (Colson Jimenez) and drummer (Ethan Cogan) of which are absolutely stunning players. Colson is the first bassist I have found recently who does not sound like 50 other guys, and has almost a Mingus-like drive and persistence. This is Beneath the Blues, recorded in October. Roots, schmoots, jazz players usually play blues like Oscar Peterson on a good day. The blues is a syntax, a way of phrasing and punctuating, not just hitting certain intervals. As a matter of fact I avoid minor thirds whenever I can. We have created a real interactive trio and I have got to get these guys on a cd:
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that whole period is amazing, and that performance, yes. Years ago I tried to stop sounding like Sonny. It is beyond impossible. Better men than me have died (musically) trying. I remember when Wayne Escoffrey was a local kid and one night I heard him trying to replicate Sonny like this. I had to admire the attempt and even the execution, but it just wasn't there. Even if I had heard it blind, I think I would have been able to clearly discern the disconnect between style as art/form and style as mannerism.
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I haven't read everything here, but the RCA stuff, IMHO, is epochal - coinciding as it does with a lot of film of Sonny, in Denmark in particular (IIRC) that is astounding; maybe 1964-66. His harmonic approach is amazing (I can say this as I try to copy him all the time; unsuccessfully of course) - he is playing these stacked, chromatic lines that, coupled with his amazing time and technique, are among the most amazing accomplishments by anyone, ever, in jazz. This is the period of which Larry Kart told me he thought Sonny to be, and I am paraphrasing, "one of the greatest artists in anything, ever." I concur.
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JazzTimes is back!
AllenLowe replied to EKE BBB's topic in Jazz In Print - Periodicals, Books, Newspapers, etc...
I'm disappointed - I liked to watch those other idiots crash and burn - -
no argument here; my tone is everything.
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If you are implying that I am looking for a problem, that's not really fair. It implies that I come to Sonny's music looking to pick it apart. The truth is really the opposite; for years I cut him a lot of slack, saw him more than a few times through the '70s and '80s and always thought I should like what I didn't, so I kept going back. There were moments of illumination but they were like listening to someone whose feet were trapped in mud. There was no way out, and Sonny, I soon realized, wasn't looking for a way out so I gave up. I'm not questioning his right to do whatever he wants, but that doesn't make it interesting. like with all of Sonny there are some amazing possibilities. He is one of a handful of saxophonists of that generation who made a smooth and real transition to harmonic adventures that shadowed the free jazz/post-Trane movement. That's an amazing thing. But the way they recorded this isn't appealng to me, boomy bass and airless. And his performances don't really go anywhere. But it does make fascinating listening. Sonny's was a great musical mind and listening to him on something like this is like listening to a great scientist strugglling to invent something he knows is within his grasp. This is def. one of his best later things.
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Ok I'll put out an APB. But to me that performance is part of the problem. And the rhythm section is like finger nails on a blackboard. Sonny, who spent the first half of his career jettisoning extraneous accompanists spent the last half flooding his music with obstructions.
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I love Sonny, he is probably the reason I play the sax, but I have a lot of problems with the book. Years ago Jamil Nasser said to me (and I quote as closely as I can remember): "Sonny was completely thrown by the fact that Coltrane became the dominant saxophone player in jazz. That's why he started all those gimmicks, the Mohawk haircut, the thing about playing on the bridge - it was all to try and get some attention back." And I will add what Paul Bley said about the Our Man in Jazz Group: "We don't need Sonny to play free; we need him to show us how to play standards." (I know that group played standards but they went outside a lot) I love Sonny, and I only read a part of the book (I could not get through the massive and irrelevant, unedited detail) so I don't know how he dealt with the above. But I think it's important to look dispassionately at genius artists like Rollins. Otherwise, if we treat everything as the same, as in "Sonny was great for his entire career," then we diminish the parts of him that actually were great. I know this is not a popular opinion, but I am not the only one who feels this way (I cannot name names without permission).