McDougal had some sort of government job - fed, state, city - I don't remember. He used to stop at my office regularly and talk about "the guys". He is/was a great spirit. I remember introducing him to Bob Porter (at the time, Jug's producer at Prestige) and Bob said " I love McDougal, but he keeps spitting on me". That was a hazard with him - his saliva glands must have worked overtime.