Jazz Groove Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 Anyone have any insight on these players. I just listened to some Billie Holiday and was reading the liner notes. These 3 musicians I realized I never heard of before. Joe Guy Big Sid Catlett. Lawrence Lucie. Quote
catesta Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 Never heard of Big Sid? Besides playing with Holiday, you will find him on numerous dates with Armstrong, Bechet, Eldridge, Lester Young, Benny Carter, Benny Goodman, Dizzy, Coleman Hawkins, Ben Webster, and that ain't all. Quote
catesta Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 "Anyone today who does not say they were influenced by Big Sid, must not play the drums" — Louie Bellson, 1995. Quote
Jazz Groove Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Posted December 5, 2003 "Anyone today who does not say they were influenced by Big Sid, must not play the drums" — Louie Bellson, 1995. That the photo insdie the Billie Holiday CD I was listening to before. If another drummer gives you high regard, you must have benn good. Quote
.:.impossible Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 Oh yeah! I recall a conversation between Nessa and Sangrey a few months back regarding a live recording of Bird with a BIG Sid Catlett drum solo. I can't wait to hear that! The whole story is what legends are made of. I think Big Sid Catlett was a contemporary of Jo Jones (not Philly), Gus Johnson, Krupa, Chick Webb, et al, or in that age group anyway. I'm not familiar with the other two. Quote
catesta Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 I think Big Sid Catlett was a contemporary of Jo Jones (not Philly), Gus Johnson, Krupa, Chick Webb, et al, or in that age group anyway. You be right. Big Sid passed away in 1951. Quote
mmilovan Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 Noone knows about Joe Guy? Well, Joe Guy was advanced swing trumpet player (he was member of Coleman Hawkins orchestra in 1939. when Bean recorded "Body and Soul"), and one of the pioneers that take some competition at Minton's with Christian, Monk and others. He had strong relationship with Billie through 1940's, but whole thing droped, because he was nonresponsible drug addict. Dispite all that, he was good trumpet player and he can struggle with moder harmonies. Something like Howard McGhee. When did he died? Quote
jazzbo Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 (edited) Bid Sid is one of my FAVORITES. He had it all, drive, flash, a great sound and he really made a band sound solid. I love to listen to him! Joe Guy died in 1961. Lawrence Lucie was a great rhythm guitarist; he and Everett Barksdale should get more attention I think. Here is what the All Music Guide says about Lucie: "Mostly a nonsoloing rhythm guitarist throughout his career, Lawrence Lucie was on many important recording sessions and had a lengthy playing career. As a child he learned banjo, mandolin and violin, playing with a family band at dances. After moving to New York, he studied banjo at the Brooklyn Conservatory but immediately became a guitarist when he started playing professionally. Lucie performed with the orchestras of Duke Ellington (briefly in 1932), Benny Carter (1932-34), Fletcher Henderson (1934), the Mills Blue Rhythm Band (1934-36), back with Henderson (1936-39), Coleman Hawkins (1940) and Louis Armstrong (1940-44). In addition to recording with all of the above (except Ellington), Lucie was on record dates with Teddy Wilson & Billie Holiday, Spike Hughes, Putney Dandridge, Big Joe Turner, Red Allen and Jelly Roll Morton. With the end of the big band era, Lucie often worked in a quartet with his wife guitarist-singer Nora Lee King. He also gigged with Luis Russell, Louie Bellson (1959) and Cozy Cole in the 1950's and became a busy studio musician. On his own Toy label, Lawrence Lucie recorded a series of so-so easy-listening Lp's during the 1970's/80's that often featured his wife." Edited December 5, 2003 by jazzbo Quote
catesta Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 According to AMG Lucie is still alive. But then again they have him listed as rock and most active in the 70's and 80's. Quote
JohnS Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 (edited) Not a lot to add to Lon's comments. Lucie gets an entry in The New Grove Dictionary. Born on 18 December 1907. The last mention is with the NY Jazz Repetory Company in the 70s. Edited December 5, 2003 by JohnS Quote
Brad Posted December 6, 2003 Report Posted December 6, 2003 I think I remember hearing something on WKCR a couple of years ago about his passing but I couldn't find anything on the web so I'm not absolutely sure. Quote
Tom Storer Posted December 7, 2003 Report Posted December 7, 2003 Sid Catlett had a serious mojo. Hmmmm. Would one say "had a serious mojo" or "had serious mojo"? Quote
Harold_Z Posted December 7, 2003 Report Posted December 7, 2003 Not sure, but I think Larry Lucie IS still alive. Quote
Christiern Posted December 7, 2003 Report Posted December 7, 2003 Lucie is still alive, and he may well still be recording his weekly show for Manhattan Cable. although I believe his wife (who shared the show with him) passed. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted December 7, 2003 Report Posted December 7, 2003 Great news Chris. Good to have you back. Everyone needs to remember - Deep is just a moniker, not a description. Quote
Harold_Z Posted December 7, 2003 Report Posted December 7, 2003 Hi Chris...I'm glad to see you here also. Quote
Brad Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Today is Lawrence Lucie's birthday (96). He recently played at the dedication of Pops' house in Queens. Today would also be Fletcher Henderson's 106th birthday. Quote
Pete C Posted February 16, 2004 Report Posted February 16, 2004 For many years Lucie played at a pizzeria in Greenwich Village called Arturo's. I think I saw him there about ten years ago. Quote
Elissa Posted February 24, 2005 Report Posted February 24, 2005 I took these of Lawrence Lucie on his 97th Bday, 18 December 2004. He's doing really well and remains quite articulate. Quote
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