A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 (edited) Anyone who has been over at AAJ in the last week will have seen a pretty ugly sight. The usual suspects seem to have gone nuts and a number of the regulars who go there for the music seem to have stepped aside as a result. I know Mike, who has had more than his fair share of worries of late, is concerned. AAJ at its best (about 6 months ago) has been a complement to Organissimo - not really a rival. I think it is in all our interests to have it as an alternative. It would be nice if people here who sometimes post there could give a bit of support. If you can find the time put in a few posts on the sane threads, start a few of your own. I'm not suggesting engaging the nuts. That only makes them worse. Just trying to swamp them with some of the decency that makes this board so successful. In the end we all stand to benefit. If the AAJ board closes they might move here! I'm putting in this suggestion without reference to Mike, incidentally. I just think he deserves a better board given all his work. Edited November 23, 2003 by Bev Stapleton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 there'snoplace like home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave9199 Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I pulled out of there this week because I never post over there, but I think I saw the thread you're talking about and I think , yes, that made me think, I'm done here. I'll just stick with Organissimo. It'll be the BNBB all over again (not a compliment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 And what ever you do...don't invite them over here!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 (edited) I clearly made myself unclear with a careless spelling mistake. Compliment should have been complement, now corrected. I hope I don't sound too much like George W. or Tony in recommending a bit of support rather than isolationism. As I say, I really think Mike deserves it. Edited November 23, 2003 by Bev Stapleton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I agree, Bev. JC is also heading for trouble thanks to GregM--he is relatively civil right now (measured by a very low standard of civility), but it is clear that he is revving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I have to say, Chris, I admire your restraint in response to the personal goading you received from the principal troublemaker on AAJ. He must have been a bit upset that you wouldn't bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 (edited) I rarely check over there anymore. Any time that I post, I usually get some mean-spirited,smart-assed reply and there is usually some pointless and vile argument going full tilt. I have enough aggrivation in my life right now without having to look for some more. This board is the place to be, even though Blue Note won't acknowlege us as an alternate board to theirs. Maybe that's a Plus too! Edited November 23, 2003 by Out2Lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I agree, Bev. JC is also heading for trouble thanks to GregM--he is relatively civil right now (measured by a very low standard of civility), but it is clear that he is revving up. Chris (and everybody else), just to clarify, we have a "GregM" who is a regular here who most assuredly is NOT the party to which you refer. Our GregM is an allright kinda guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I agree that Mike is a nice fellow indeed, and Nils et al. . . and I really like many sections of the All About Jazz site a lot. . . . But the bulletin board is just. . . boring. I keep trying to get interested, but. . . "Monk vs. Mingus Round Nine". . . "Jaco was the Goddamnedest Greatest". . . .I can't get into it. I just looked over there and didn't see the threads that seem to be controversial and wasn't interested in looking after a few minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I just looked over there and didn't see the threads that seem to be controversial and wasn't interested in looking after a few minutes! Same here. Was it a political thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Bev, I've been checking the place out over the last few days, and I must admit that it's a tough sell when the place is patting itself on the back for getting rid of one childish poster while defending a drunken boor just because he happens to be a musician, but you're right. At it's best AAJ was a fine place, and Mike sure as hell deserves better than he's getting with all the work he's put into the place. I'll try to post sanely and carefully over there a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 (edited) I just looked over there and didn't see the threads that seem to be controversial and wasn't interested in looking after a few minutes! Same here. Was it a political thread? This thread is a good example. As long as a guy like deep keeps holding the AAJ board hostage and terrorizing it like he's doing now, I'm not going to post over there. Every time a poster is saying something deep doesn’t like (which is almost all of the time, unless it's Patricia / Still Life), they get a bashing; my English is not good enough to counter sexist, childish and offensive posts like his. It's beginning to look like deep is controlling the AAJ board. Edited November 23, 2003 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Oh. I see. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Jazzmoose, I'm not sure the place as a whole is patting itself on the back. There are a small group of 'children' who have got the upper hand at present, most of whom are going out of their way to get the boor's approval. They are the one's dancing on the leaver's grave. I think there might be a problem with one administrator who seemed to join in the 'fun.' They might need to rethink how they decide on administrators and just what their role is. The reasonable posters seem to have retired which explains the lack of activity of late. There is a fair bit of activity going on behind the scenes to try and find a way to deal with the problem. AAJ is different. It has 'jazz' in the title and is thus a first point of reference for anyone surfing. It gets a fair number of young and inexperienced people. Some are silly, some naive, most just curious and want to know a bit more. A place like Organissimo, should they stumble on it, would probably terrify them. I've stuck with AAJ because it has attracted more posters who share my interest in non-American jazz than this place. Sadly many of these seem to have backed off in recent weeks. Yes, it has become rather dull of late...it never seems to have recovered from the breakdown fully. I'm not suggesting everyone needs to rush over there in a rescue bid. Just that those who have found something of value there in the past might like to consider pitching in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Gotta admit that I was pleasantly stunned to see clifton posting over here. That cat knows his stuff, although we totally disagree on Odean Pope. No big whoop, since I've yet to meet anybody who likes/dislikes everything I do, and most likely never will. That would just be WIERD!!! I'll keep an eye open for interesting threads to post to over there (and ain't it funny how we talk about "over there" when it's all cyberspace and is all really everywhere, or nowhere, or just where anybody is at a given time). Certainly don't want to see the place die or become irrelevant. This is still my "home", and unless something really funky goes down, will remain so. But we can all drop in and have a nice visit with the neighbors, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I'm not sure the place as a whole is patting itself on the back. There are a small group of 'children' who have got the upper hand at present, most of whom are going out of their way to get the boor's approval. They are the one's dancing on the leaver's grave. I think there might be a problem with one administrator who seemed to join in the 'fun.' They might need to rethink how they decide on administrators and just what their role is. According to this thread, this particular administrator seems to have realized that. I've stuck with AAJ because it has attracted more posters who share my interest in non-American jazz than this place. Its inclination towards freer styles is the main reason for my interest in the AAJ board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I just looked over there and didn't see the threads that seem to be controversial and wasn't interested in looking after a few minutes! Same here. Was it a political thread? Same goes for me. Political or whatever. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 According to this thread, this particular administrator seems to have realized that. Thanks, Hans. Clifton's statement is impressive. I withdraw my worries about the administrators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 . . . I've stuck with AAJ because it has attracted more posters who share my interest in non-American jazz than this place. Sadly many of these seem to have backed off in recent weeks. Yes, it has become rather dull of late...it never seems to have recovered from the breakdown fully. I'm not suggesting everyone needs to rush over there in a rescue bid. Just that those who have found something of value there in the past might like to consider pitching in. Bev (and Hans) - this was the reason why I found AAJ to be a very good complement to this board. Originally, I felt home over there a little bit more, but today, and this has started some weeks before the hacker attack on AAJ, I feel home and welcome here very much! (Thanks everybody!) Not to let this develop into a pat on our own shoulder - why not start a little bit more activity here regarding european jazz? I think there are at least some people in here who'd participate, and then some others who would follow the discussion with at least some interest. I myself have no vast knowledge about european jazz, in fact, the few things I do know are rather more attached to the *usual* american jazz, yet I would certainly welcome a little bit more on non-US music. One advantage here (as regarding the old board) seems to be that it is not necessary to have that rather annoying, and sometimes I feel also discriminating, jazz/not jazz/elements of jazz kind of dicussion. Re: AAJ, it seems that some of the posters with whom I had exchanges on and off the board are indeed not active anymore, and the place for me seems quite dead. I highly welcome people like EKE, mmilovan or clifton posting here! Keep it going! Maybe AAJ gets better - let's hope it does! Mike is a nice guy indeed! - and then the two boards migtht again complement each other as they did in the time right after the demise of the old board. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I just looked over there and didn't see the threads that seem to be controversial and wasn't interested in looking after a few minutes! Same here. Was it a political thread? This thread is a good example. As long as a guy like deep keeps holding the AAJ board hostage and terrorizing it like he's doing now, I'm not going to post over there. Every time a poster is saying something deep doesn’t like (which is almost all of the time, unless it's Patricia / Still Life), they get a bashing; my English is not good enough to counter sexist, childish and offensive posts like his. It's beginning to look like deep is controlling the AAJ board. Sensing an opportunity to put his exceptional interpersonal skills to work, DEEP adopts a courteous demeanor and asks the moderator to show another poster the door. Now that's rich! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 ...why not start a little bit more activity here regarding european jazz? I for one would welcome that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Can't say I havn't tried! One of those smiley things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Well hey - those are the threads that I only read , because it's stuff that I know absolutely nothing, or very little, about. I just like to shut up, read, and learn. So keep posting. It's getting read here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 I know, JSngry. Only joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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