next batch of Verve originals :)

[tranemonk]

found this off on Tower.com....

Out on or about 4/14/09

1. Soul Finger (CD) - Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers (Artist)

2. Dizzy On The French Riviera (CD) - Dizzy Gillespie (Artist) (This set is also on the Mosaic set... )

3. Ella In Hollywood (CD) - Ella Fitzgerald (Artist)

4.The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard (CD) - Freddie Hubbard (Artist)

5. - 10. Several 'Trane albums - Ascension (CD) , Kulu Se Mama (CD), The John Coltrane Quartet Plays (CD), A New Thing At Newport (CD) Archie Shepp (Artist) and John Coltrane (Artist) & Meditations (CD)

I'm getting the Blakey, Hubbard and Ella... :rolleyes:

[AndrewHill]

Wouldn't mind upgrading the Hubbard. The digipak issue, IMO, mixed Art Davis' bass where its hard to hear the high notes, but the bottom notes are booming so much that it sounds muddled.

What's Blakey's Soul Finger like? And don't tell me its a "soul" record . I've never heard this one get mentioned hardly at all. Is it on par with the BN's/Impulse's?

[DMP]

The Blakey is so-so. But the Dizzy and Ella are 2 of my favorites, glad to see they're finally available!

[Free For All]

Interesting personnel on the Blakey- Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, Lucky Thompson, Victor Sproles and John Hicks. Not a lot of fireworks, but still a better-than-average side IHMO.

[Chuck Nessa]

Interesting personnel on the Blakey- Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, Lucky Thompson, Victor Sproles and John Hicks. Not a lot of fireworks, but still a better-than-average side IHMO.

Beg to differ. Not better than average from previous releases.

[tranemonk]

I heard the Soul-Finger cut years ago on the radio... and loved it! ('Course it never hurts to reference a Sean Connery - James Bond)

Wouldn't mind upgrading the Hubbard. The digipak issue, IMO, mixed Art Davis' bass where its hard to hear the high notes, but the bottom notes are booming so much that it sounds muddled.

What's Blakey's Soul Finger like? And don't tell me its a "soul" record . I've never heard this one get mentioned hardly at all. Is it on par with the BN's/Impulse's?

[JSngry]

Didn't Gary Bartz make his uncredited debut on one cut off the Blakey?

[bertrand]

Bartz is on five of the 6 tracks, which are sextet with Lee+Freddie. He wrote 'Freedom Monday', but Blakey put his name on it. Also the title track is credited to both trumpeters, but the copyright is Freddie only.

Lucky is the sole horn on 'Spot Session', which is from a different date.

The tune 'Slowly But Surely' is from the same date as the sextet tracks, but was put on another LP. I bet they won't include here where it belongs.

This is currently available on iTunes. I bought it assuming it would never come out on CD. I'll stay away from those Jazztet downloads.

Bertrand.

[Shawn]

I like that Blakey album, it's not essential...but it is worthwhile. That's one I would definitely pick up (if I wasn't broke).

[JETman]

found this off on Tower.com....

Out on or about 4/14/09

1. Soul Finger (CD) - Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers (Artist)

2. Dizzy On The French Riviera (CD) - Dizzy Gillespie (Artist) (This set is also on the Mosaic set... )

3. Ella In Hollywood (CD) - Ella Fitzgerald (Artist)

4.The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard (CD) - Freddie Hubbard (Artist)

5. - 10. Several 'Trane albums - Ascension (CD) , Kulu Se Mama (CD), The John Coltrane Quartet Plays (CD), A New Thing At Newport (CD) Archie Shepp (Artist) and John Coltrane (Artist) & Meditations (CD)

I'm getting the Blakey, Hubbard and Ella... :rolleyes:

This is only 9. The five Coltranes from the 3rd Impulse box are coming out individually on 3/24. What is the 5th one that is coming out on 4/14?

[JETman]

It turns out that 10 are being released on 4/14. In addition to the 4 listed above, the remaining 6 are:

Roy Ayers - He's Coming

Gato Barbieri - Chapter Two: Hasta Siempre

Stan Getz - At the Shrine

Terry Gibbs - Swing is Here

Johnny Hodges - Used to be Duke

Keith Jarrett - Treasure Island

[mikeweil]

Bartz is on five of the 6 tracks, which are sextet with Lee+Freddie. He wrote 'Freedom Monday', but Blakey put his name on it. Also the title track is credited to both trumpeters, but the copyright is Freddie only.

Lucky is the sole horn on 'Spot Session', which is from a different date.

The tune 'Slowly But Surely' is from the same date as the sextet tracks, but was put on another LP. I bet they won't include here where it belongs.

... and there's an unissued track with Lucky:

Date: April 21, 1965

Location: NY

Label: Limelight

Art Blakey (ldr), Lucky Thompson (ss), John Hicks (p), Victor Sproles (b), Art Blakey (d)

a. 2-31781 Spot Session - 7:24 (Lucky Thompson)

Verve CD: 314 516 107-2 — Compact Jazz: Art Blakey (1993)

Limelight (Eng.) LP 12": LM 4012 — Soul Finger

Limelight (Jpn.) LP 12": SFX 7334 — Soul Finger

Trip LP 12": TLP 5583 — Soul Finger

Limelight LP 12": LM 82018/LS 86018 — Soul Finger (1965)

b. 2-31782 Midtown Strut

unissued

From Noal Cohen's Lucky Thompson Discography

[felser]

I like that Blakey album, it's not essential...but it is worthwhile. That's one I would definitely pick up (if I wasn't broke).

It's pleasant enough but very slight, doesn't hold a candle to the Blue Notes or Riversides. Really for Blakey completists (like me) only.

[Big Al]

Man, that's quite a list! I can see getting these:

Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - Soul Finger

Dizzy Gillespie - Dizzy On The French Riviera

Freddie Hubbard - The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard

Stan Getz - At the Shrine (never heard of this one)

Terry Gibbs - Swing is Here (or this one)

Johnny Hodges - Used to be Duke

[king ubu]

I'll be interested in the Getz and maybe the Blakey and Ella.

Reading the above I got the impression the Blakey would have Lee and Lucky on the same date... that would have been weird... too bad these silly LP reproductions don't complete sessions!

And then there's hope for Gato's Chapter 3, I have Chapters 1 & 2 (in the great "Latino America" 2CD package with some fine bonus material), and Chapter 4 is out already in the Originals series.

The Coltranes will be silly, too... only one take of Ascension on the CD of the same name, and the great live track (as well as one or two studio bonus tracks) omitted of "Coltrane Quartet Plays..." (which is a great album!).

"New Thing at Newport" is ok for the Shepp portion of it, but the Coltrane portion has just been repackaged together with his 1963 concert on this disc:

That disc has an additional title from (I think) the 1965 concert, previously unreleased (I think) and that title will of course again not be on the upcoming "Originals" reissue...

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

[Teasing the Korean]

I really love that Dizzy album. A clean copy has eluded me.

[Big Al]

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!)

[ejp626]

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!)

Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know.

[jazzbo]

I'll be interested in the Getz and maybe the Blakey and Ella.

Reading the above I got the impression the Blakey would have Lee and Lucky on the same date... that would have been weird... too bad these silly LP reproductions don't complete sessions!

And then there's hope for Gato's Chapter 3, I have Chapters 1 & 2 (in the great "Latino America" 2CD package with some fine bonus material), and Chapter 4 is out already in the Originals series.

The Coltranes will be silly, too... only one take of Ascension on the CD of the same name, and the great live track (as well as one or two studio bonus tracks) omitted of "Coltrane Quartet Plays..." (which is a great album!).

"New Thing at Newport" is ok for the Shepp portion of it, but the Coltrane portion has just been repackaged together with his 1963 concert on this disc:

That disc has an additional title from (I think) the 1965 concert, previously unreleased (I think) and that title will of course again not be on the upcoming "Originals" reissue...

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

Flurin, I would wager the Ascension has both takes on it; the version in the box set (Volume 3) certainly does.

I know that we'll keep seeing Trane and Miles etc. over and over. They are the only sure things the labels have. And I must say, I like having the "lp facimile" aspect of these reissues (because I've had the albums) and the sound is the best yet.

[AndrewHill]

Well at least Getz's 'At the Shrine' is back in circulation; I really like Brookmeyer with Getz and the sound's pretty good too. But why did they change the DSM cover??? I'm glad to have the '92 cd!

Edited March 19, 2009 by Holy Ghost

[AndrewHill]

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!)

Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know.

I also agree. I think the last major undertaking of getting lesser known items out in the catalogue died with the Verve Elite Editions. Even the LPR series (which also seems dead) yielded quite a few items that hadn't been issued on cd too, but the Originals series clearly seems to be a re-packaging of items that have already been reissued with an unissed item tossed in here and there; a real disappointment

[Shawn]

I'd enjoy whatever CD issues you get, I don't think the format has much life left in it. I've pretty much written it off unless it's a current living artist who can benefit from my purchasing their full price album.

Other than that, I'll stick to used bins, LPs and the occasional blog for stuff that will never be reissued.

[king ubu]

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!)

Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know.

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!)

Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know.

I also agree. I think the last major undertaking of getting lesser known items out in the catalogue died with the Verve Elite Editions. Even the LPR series (which also seems dead) yielded quite a few items that hadn't been issued on cd too, but the Originals series clearly seems to be a re-packaging of items that have already been reissued with an unissed item tossed in here and there; a real disappointment

Well, of course you're right (and Lon too, in the quote below) - but it's so frustrating with Verve, there'd be so many good things and often the only way to get them would be order from Japan or buy Spanish/Andorran crap - that's a sorry state of affairs!

I'll be interested in the Getz and maybe the Blakey and Ella.

Reading the above I got the impression the Blakey would have Lee and Lucky on the same date... that would have been weird... too bad these silly LP reproductions don't complete sessions!

And then there's hope for Gato's Chapter 3, I have Chapters 1 & 2 (in the great "Latino America" 2CD package with some fine bonus material), and Chapter 4 is out already in the Originals series.

The Coltranes will be silly, too... only one take of Ascension on the CD of the same name, and the great live track (as well as one or two studio bonus tracks) omitted of "Coltrane Quartet Plays..." (which is a great album!).

"New Thing at Newport" is ok for the Shepp portion of it, but the Coltrane portion has just been repackaged together with his 1963 concert on this disc:

That disc has an additional title from (I think) the 1965 concert, previously unreleased (I think) and that title will of course again not be on the upcoming "Originals" reissue...

Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all!

Flurin, I would wager the Ascension has both takes on it; the version in the box set (Volume 3) certainly does.

I know that we'll keep seeing Trane and Miles etc. over and over. They are the only sure things the labels have. And I must say, I like having the "lp facimile" aspect of these reissues (because I've had the albums) and the sound is the best yet.

That's interesting, Lon - and quite a departure (though they can explain it by the fact that both editions have seen original release by mistake... for the purists though there ought to be two identical discs with no information which version is on it... )

[jazzbo]

Flurin, I think that about two thirds of the Coltrane Verve Originals are US versions of Japanese Impulses from several years back. I have an LP facimile version of Ascension from Japan and it seems to have the very same transfer by Kevin Reeves of both takes of Ascension on it as the new Verve Original version in the third box set. There's a very slight difference, mainly in output, one is louder than the other by a hair.

The sound on the albums in the first box set is a bit different than those in the second and third, which are all Kevin Reeves transfers. Still any of the fifteen cds is the best sounding version compared to others I've had (even better than the K2 versions, by a hair; okay maybe not better, different, both sets are really really good transfers.)

I really like having these in album configuration, because I'm very familiar with these in album form.

[king ubu]

Flurin, I think that about two thirds of the Coltrane Verve Originals are US versions of Japanese Impulses from several years back. I have an LP facimile version of Ascension from Japan and it seems to have the very same transfer by Kevin Reeves of both takes of Ascension on it as the new Verve Original version in the third box set. There's a very slight difference, mainly in output, one is louder than the other by a hair.

The sound on the albums in the first box set is a bit different than those in the second and third, which are all Kevin Reeves transfers. Still any of the fifteen cds is the best sounding version compared to others I've had (even better than the K2 versions, by a hair; okay maybe not better, different, both sets are really really good transfers.)

I really like having these in album configuration, because I'm very familiar with these in album form.

Yes, the album form for Coltrane isn't all bad - I've gotten used to most of them as individual albums as well and the 8CD box is a bit of a botch job, too, missing the live-side of "Live at Birdland" and the live bonus track from "Quartet Plays...". But I still got the box, then the three deluxe 2CD set, all discs with live material released by Impulse, and for the later (post-classical quartet) the Impulse Master Editions. Those sound good enough for me.

It's not that I'm against Coltrane getting this treatment, but what's the point of an original album of "Africa/Brass" for instance, when the 2CD set was full to the brim with such glorious music!

It's a bit like with the Getz CDs - I like the idea, but I'll not get them because they're missing some music (at least in the case of Getz/Gilberto #2, and there they're missing some of the best, namely some instrumental cuts by the quartet with Burton... I think the Almeida album had a bonus title as well, and Jazz Samba Encore had one or two alternate takes).

They could at least offer a "bits & pieces" additional disc to make up for that... now that would seem like a fine solution to me, but I guess demand for that would be minimal...