Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) I could swear that there was discussion of these two items (album titles "Hot Horn"/"Intrepid Fox" and "Extended") here before, but search is coming up with nothing. Would like to get discographical details on this material. (e.g., "Freddie's Tune" - come on, what is it really??) Thanks! Mike Edited October 13, 2005 by Michael Fitzgerald Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) While I'm waiting, here's some info - Discographies list this lineup: Freddie Hubbard, Junior Cook, Cedar Walton, Wayne Dockery, Billy Hayes (listed in Lord) or Billy Higgins (listed in Bruyninckx). I believe the drummer is LOUIS Hayes. This exact lineup played at Slugs' between Christmas and New Year's late 1969. This group (bassist not named) played at Shelly's Manne-Hole April 28-May 10, 1970. So, I believe the recording does NOT come from 1974 (or even 1973 as sometimes listed). A late 1969 or early 1970 date makes sense with the original tunes (Red Clay and The Intrepid Fox were recorded in the studio in January 1970). Only problem is that those were favorites and remained in the repertoire afterwards too. Mike Edited October 12, 2005 by Michael Fitzgerald Quote
JohnS Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 Nothing useful on the jacket of "Hot Horn" Everest FS 361. The drummer is given as Billy Hayes, the pianist Cedar Watton?? Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Posted October 12, 2005 Can you supply track timings? Any issue date mentioned? Thanks - Mike Quote
david weiss Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) Can you supply track timings? Any issue date mentioned? Thanks - Mike ← Hot Horn on Everest Intrepid Fox 20:00 Yesterday 9:42 Pensativa 18:27 Extended on Phoenix Red Clay 16:53 Freddie's Tune 18:42 Freddie's tune is a Cedar Walton tune whose name escapes me at the moment but it's on the Lee Morgan album "Sixth Sense". Both records list the same personel Cedar Walton on piano Billy Hayes on Drums. Edit: The tune is called Afreaka and it's probably Louis Hayes on Drums. "Yesterday" is the Beatles tune played trio by Cedar. Edited October 12, 2005 by david weiss Quote
Free For All Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 a Cedar Walton tune whose name escapes me at the moment but it's on the Lee Morgan album "Sixth Sense". Afreaka? Quote
david weiss Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 Yes..caught me while editing... Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Posted October 12, 2005 Got to be - it's the only Cedar tune on that record. Excellent work! At this point, here's the entry: ==================== Date: late 1969 or early 1970 Label: Private Recording Freddie Hubbard (ldr), Junior Cook (ts), Freddie Hubbard (t), Cedar Walton (p), Wayne Dockery (b), Louis Hayes (d) a. a-01 Red Clay - 16:53 (Freddie Hubbard) Phoenix10 LP 12": PHX 318 - Extended b. a-02 Afreaka [aka Mission Eternal] - 18:42 (Cedar Walton) Phoenix10 LP 12": PHX 318 - Extended c. c-01 The Intrepid Fox - 20:00 (Freddie Hubbard) Everest LP 12": FS 361 - Hot Horn Piccadilly LP 12": PIC 3467 - Intrepid Fox d. d-01 Yesterday - 09:42 (John Lennon, Paul McCartney) Everest LP 12": FS 361 - Hot Horn Piccadilly LP 12": PIC 3467 - Intrepid Fox e. d-02 Pensativa - 18:27 (Clare Fischer) Everest LP 12": FS 361 - Hot Horn Piccadilly LP 12": PIC 3467 - Intrepid Fox Omit Junior Cook (ts) on d. Omit Freddie Hubbard (t) on d. Afreaka listed as "Freddie's Tune" on issues. Sources list drummer as "Billy Hayes" (or Billy Higgins) but this is believed to be incorrect. The personnel shown performed at Slugs' in NYC between December 25-31, 1969. Everest LP lists pianist as "Cedar Watton". ============================= Am I correct in thinking that the credit for Cook on soprano is incorrect? I've never found any evidence of him playing anything other than tenor. Wish I could pin down a date and location. Hubbard played a lot in NYC (Village Vanguard, Slugs', Carnegie Hall) between February and April. Still, a vast improvement from what all the published discographies have listed. Mike Quote
bertrand Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 I was going to try to be a bit useful and throw in the alternate title for 'Afreaka', but I see Mike beat me to it. Is it worth trying to ask Louis Hayes? Will he remember? I have his phone number, and I will probably see him in Baltimore in February. Perhaps I could play him a tape and see if he recognizes himself. Is there a chance he could get it wrong? Bertrand. Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Posted October 12, 2005 I have no doubt at this point. Hayes was Hubbard's regular drummer for years. Mike Quote
Michael Fitzgerald Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Posted October 13, 2005 Another question - A 1986 album by Jakob Magnusson (Time Zone) has Hubbard playing on one track. According to Lord CDROM 5.0, another trumpeter plays on another - name is given only as "King" - anyone got better info on this? Thanks - Mike Quote
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