Free For All Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 ROY!............................HAYNES! I felt we needed to feature some Roland Kirk, and after some contemplation I chose this one, recorded in May of 1962. Some great Kirk to be sure, but the star is definitely Roy Haynes. The rhythm section (w/Tommy Flanagan and Henry Grimes) swings way hard, and Haynes' solos and breaks are perfection. From the opening of Moon Ray (where the piano and bass hint at Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade) to the beautiful ballad Some Other Spring (which was a unique and great way to end the side) where Kirk sounds very Trane-ish there is not a dull moment on this recording. Great arrangements, great playing by all. Haynes contributes three originals, the up-tempo Raoul, the medium tempo Snap Crackle (which he sets up with eight perfect bars of time after the declamatory introduction) and the burner Long Wharf. Kirk definitely gets to do his thing on tenor, manzello, stritch and various flutes. Flanagan is tasty in both comping and soloing, and Grimes and Haynes hook up well. And it's beautifully recorded. If you haven't heard this one, I can recommend it without reservation. At 37 or so minutes there's a LOT of music here. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 A beautiful album. Rahsaan didn't do nearly as many sideman dates as I would have liked, but this one stands for posterity. Haynes gets in some tasty licks, Grimes is rock solid, and Flanagan is in excellent form. The repertoire is excellent, too. This is one of those hard bop dates that just simmers with energy, passion unhinged but truly disciplined. Rahsaan is the real hero for me, though. Like Eric Dolphy, he has the power to elevate, embolden, and intensify even the most banal of circumstances; throw him into a potent pot, and the stew just cooks. Even today, all the histrionics and wild antics belie the sheer power and heart in his playing. I'm up in Berkeley right now, and even the so-called "hip" set isn't all that hip to Rahsaan... too out there, by reputation. But, as "Out of the Afternoon" clearly shows, Rokirk could move mountains stationary--all by blowing. Check out Some Other Spring for some remarkably restrained blowing... that cat had soul. Some great memories of this date... when I was a little younger, I made my mom a mix of some jazz tracks (I'm a first generation musician, so it's reverse indoctrination)... threw Fly Me to the Moon on there. Man, that mix is still in my mom's car. I whistle along to Rahsaan's solo whenever I'm back in town... Bright moments. Quote
Free For All Posted October 3, 2005 Author Report Posted October 3, 2005 Very, VERY well put. You said it MUCH better than I did. Thanks! And beyond my praise for Roy Haynes, don't let me understate how much I love Kirk on this side. He's the main reason I chose this one, it's just that after revisiting this recording I realized how great Haynes played. Great music. Timeless. Quote
Free For All Posted October 3, 2005 Author Report Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) Rahsaan didn't do nearly as many sideman dates as I would have liked← Agreed. I think RK and Monk would have been interesting. RK and Ornette? RK and Jackie McLean? RK and Sonny Rollins(probably 60s Sonny)? RK and Herbie Nichols? RK and Andrew Hill? So many possibilities. So besides this one, there were appearances with Mingus, Quincy Jones, Jaki Byard, Jack McDuff and a one-off with Eddie Baccus. Are there some other sideman appearances beyond those? Edited for spelling clams Edited October 3, 2005 by Free For All Quote
couw Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 This album is perfect to get someone started on Kirk. I have recommended it many times and have yet to hear someone complain and want their money back. Fantastic album with lots of energy, lots of taste and lots of fun. I'll be spinning it soon! Quote
couw Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) So besides this one, there were appearances with Mingus, Quincy Jones, Jaki Byard, Jack McDuff and a one-off with Eddie Baccus. Are there some other sideman appearances beyond those? ← There's Tubby Hayes and then The Jazz Corps. And didn't he sit in with Stitt once? Edited October 3, 2005 by couw Quote
JSngry Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 The only thing wrong with this album is that it's too short. Quote
John Tapscott Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 Thanks for posting this a week in advance. I've considered this CD several times, but finally ordered it this morning on the basis of the strong recs. I'll have it in time to take part in the discussion next week. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 So besides this one, there were appearances with Mingus, Quincy Jones, Jaki Byard, Jack McDuff and a one-off with Eddie Baccus. Are there some other sideman appearances beyond those? ← There's Tubby Hayes and then The Jazz Corps. And didn't he sit in with Stitt once? ← There was that live date with the Mothers of Invention... oh, and that tape of Rahsaan and Jimi Hendrix (never to see the light of day... heard it didn't do either of them justice, anyhow). Quote
catesta Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 This album is perfect to get someone started on Kirk. I have recommended it many times and have yet to hear someone complain and want their money back. Fantastic album with lots of energy, lots of taste and lots of fun. I'll be spinning it soon! ← He speak the truth. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 3, 2005 Report Posted October 3, 2005 The only thing wrong with this album is that it's too short. ← Agreed. It needs a third side. Quote
Free For All Posted October 3, 2005 Author Report Posted October 3, 2005 The only thing wrong with this album is that it's too short. ← Agreed. It needs a third side. ← Like this one... Damn. Off-topic in my own thread. Quote
mikeweil Posted October 4, 2005 Report Posted October 4, 2005 My favourite among Haynes-led dates. Rahsaan in great form, too. Yes, it's too short. Quote
Free For All Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Posted October 10, 2005 Just bumped this up in hopes of further discussion. Quote
Kalo Posted October 10, 2005 Report Posted October 10, 2005 I bought this one a couple of months back. This thread is the perfect excuse to pull it out and really listen hard! Quote
John Tapscott Posted October 12, 2005 Report Posted October 12, 2005 Just got this today and listened to it. A fine, swinging CD, which I will revisit for some more spins tomorrow. On first listen "Raoul" is my favorite track. Nice sounding recording too. There's some "space" between the instruments yet it sounds tight, too. Not quite as "up front" or "in your face" as many Van Gelder recordings (though maybe I've been listening to too many RVG's lately). Quote
Evonce Posted October 14, 2005 Report Posted October 14, 2005 Wonderful album. Good balance between Kirk (up and out) and Haynes (sideways elasticity), with the solid piano/bass at center. I think this album is a prime example of Kirk's straight musicality - he plays a handful of his best solos here, IMHO. The cover photo has always begged captions in my mind: "Honey, the Roy Haynes Quartet is here again!" "Well, offer them something to drink! I'll help 'em set up." Quote
John Tapscott Posted October 14, 2005 Report Posted October 14, 2005 I've listened to this CD six more times since my initial spin. Hey, it's only 37 min. per spin and when it ends, it leaves you hanging, and feeling like there should be more. But I've really warmed up to this recording. It always takes me a bit of time to get used to Kirk's sound, but when I do, I realize what a brilliant musician he was. No question, this is a great album. I presume the great cover photo was taken outside of the Van Gelder studio. Wonder if it's still like that there or whether the green woods have been taken over by urban sprawl? Not that I'm a tree hugger, but that's a lovely setting. A real loss if it's gone. Quote
Bright Moments Posted October 15, 2005 Report Posted October 15, 2005 about time we had some RRK!!! not my favorite where RRK is a sideman (check out the Jaki Byard Experience) but still a nifty set with RRK stretching out plenty. Quote
Cali Posted October 15, 2005 Report Posted October 15, 2005 My fav on the album is "Snap Crackle". ROY...HAYNES! Quote
Peter Friedman Posted October 16, 2005 Report Posted October 16, 2005 I will always remember the couple of times I saw Roland Kirk live. The combination of seeing him play all those instruments and hearing the musical results was a very special experience. He was truly one of a kind. Quote
Bright Moments Posted October 16, 2005 Report Posted October 16, 2005 I will always remember the couple of times I saw Roland Kirk live. ← you are so lucky!!! i wish i had seen him! Quote
Kalo Posted October 17, 2005 Report Posted October 17, 2005 The cover photo has always begged captions in my mind: "Honey, the Roy Haynes Quartet is here again!" "Well, offer them something to drink! I'll help 'em set up." ← What IS the deal with that cover photo? Was that RVG's backyard? Goofy photo. Sounds like your wife is quite obliging, Evonce. Very good but not great album. Might've been better with at least one more horn (even though Kirk's a section in and of himself). I agree with those above who say that it's kind of short. Roy Haynes really drums the f**k out of the material here, though. And if the Manzello is essentially the same instrument as the soprano sax, as the liner notes would have it (and it sounds like it is to my ears), then Kirk should very emphatically be included in the ranks of top-rank soprano players (he sounds more at home to me on the recalcitrant horn than, say, Coltrane, f'rinstance). I hate to say it, but not a classic. Glad I own it, though. Quote
BruceH Posted October 17, 2005 Report Posted October 17, 2005 As far as the cover: Maybe they were groping toward a proto-Rubber Soul thing. Quote
JohnS Posted October 27, 2005 Report Posted October 27, 2005 I still have my old UK vinyl issue. Don't have the luxury of being able to play it the moment but I can recall it warmly. 'Snap crackle' is right. Quote
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