Grant Green, Ike Quebec & Sonny Clark

[Rosco]

Bought a couple of Blue Note CDs yesterday and am having some confusion over recording dates.

The first is Grant Green’s Born to Be Blue . The personnel is Green, Ike Quebec (ts), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d) and the dates given are:

December 11, 1961:

Someday My Prince Will Come; Born to be Blue (2 takes); If I Should Lose You; Back in Your Own Back Yard; My One and Only Love; Cool Blues; Outer Space.

March 1, 1962:

Count Every Star.

Now, the version of ‘Count Every Star’ is identical to the one issued on Ike Quebec’s Blue and Sentimental , where the date is given as December 23, 1961 . The rest of that album is from a separate session (a quartet with Paul Chambers & Philly Joe Jones), given as December 16, 1961.

December 23, 1961 is also the date for Green’s Gooden’s Corner album, same personnel except without Quebec.

Confusing enough but in an effort to clear it up, I consulted the Grant Green discography here which made things worse...

On there, no Green session is listed for December 11, 1961.

‘Count Every Star’ is listed at the Gooden’s Corner session of December 23, 1961 (as on the Quebec CD).

The remainder of the Born to be Blue session is listed as March 1, 1962 (the date the BtbB CD gives for ‘Count Every Star’ only).

So… was the bulk of Born to be Blue recorded 12/11/61 or 3/1/62?

Does ‘Count Every Star’ come from the 12/23/61 date (which makes Quebec’s only appearance on the session seem odd, although not impossible, of course) or 3/1/62?

The other CD I purchased was Sonny Clark’s Sonny’s Crib .

I bought the Connoisseur edition which gives the date as September 1st, 1957 ; However (as noted by Couw in the ‘Recorded this day’ thread) the TOCJ version lists October 9, 1957 . The online discographies seem 50-50 between the two dates. Anyone?

Edited September 1, 2005 by Rosco

[Michael Fitzgerald]

I go with September 1, 1957 on Sonny's Crib. That is what 2nd edition of Cuscuna/Ruppli gives. September 1, 1957 was a Sunday, which was generally Blue Note's day of the week at Van Gelder's. October 9, 1957 was a Wednesday.

Here is information on Grant Green's Blue Note sessions:

Date: October 27, 1961

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Grant Green (ldr), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Butch Warren (b), Billy Higgins (d)

a. tk 4 Woody 'n You - 05:54 (Dizzy Gillespie)

Blue Note CD: 7243 5 27548 2 3 - First Session (2001)

b. tk 7 Woody 'n You - 05:53 (Dizzy Gillespie)

Blue Note CD: 7243 5 27548 2 3 - First Session (2001)

c. Lady Bird (Tadd Dameron)

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Date: December 23, 1961

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Grant Green (ldr), Ike Quebec (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d)

a. tk 3 Moon River - 05:34 (Henry Mancini, Johnny Mercer)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

b. tk 8 On Green Dolphin Street - 06:25 (Bronislau Kaper, Ned Washington)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

c. tk 17 What Is This Thing Called Love - 05:49 (Cole Porter)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

d. tk 24 Count Every Star - 06:16 (Bruno Andre Coquatrix, Bernard Michel)

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84098 - Blue And Sentimental

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue

Blue Note CD: CDP 7 84098 2 - Blue And Sentimental (1988)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7 84432 2 - Born To Be Blue (1989)

e. tk 25 Shadrack - 06:20 (Robert MacGimsey)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

f. tk 26 Gooden's Corner - 08:11 (Grant Green)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

g. tk 27 Two For One - 07:38 (Grant Green)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3058 - Gooden's Corner

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

All titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

- Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Ike Quebec (ts) on d only.

CD issue 84432 gives incorrect date for d. as March 1, 1962 (or December 11, 1961). Above is from Cuscuna/Ruppli 2.

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Date: January 13, 1962

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Grant Green (ldr), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Art Blakey (d)

a. tk 4 Airegin - 07:34 (Sonny Rollins, Jon Hendricks)

b. tk 5 Airegin - 07:32 (Sonny Rollins, Jon Hendricks)

Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria

c. tk 7 Nancy (With The Laughing Face) - 06:20 (Phil Silvers, Jimmy Van Heusen)

d. tk 8 I Concentrate On You - 05:40 (Cole Porter)

Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria

e. tk 12 The Things We Did Last Summer - 05:54 (Sammy Cahn, Jule Styne)

Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria

f. tk 21 The Song Is You - 07:44 (Jerome Kern, Oscar Hammerstein II)

Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria

g. tk 24 It Ain't Necessarily So - 10:20 (George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin, Dubose Heyward)

Blue Note LP 12": LT-1032 - Nigeria

All titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

- Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

- Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

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Date: January 31, 1962

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Grant Green (ldr), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d)

a. tk 4 My Favorite Things - 08:28 (Richard Rodgers, Oscar Hammerstein II)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo

Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

b. tk 5 Hip Funk - 08:35 (Grant Green)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo

Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

c. tk 6 Oleo - 05:35 (Sonny Rollins)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo

Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

d. tk 8 Oleo - 06:00 (Sonny Rollins)

Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

e. tk 11 Little Girl Blue - 07:12 (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo

Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

f. tk 15 Tune Up - 07:17 (Miles Davis, Eddie Vinson)

Blue Note LP 12": GXF-3065 - Oleo

Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 57194 2 4 - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark (1997)

g. Lament (J. J. Johnson)

Composer of g. not confirmed.

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Date: March 1, 1962

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Grant Green (ldr), Ike Quebec (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Sam Jones (b), Louis Hayes (d)

a. tk 4 Someday My Prince Will Come - 06:26 (Frank E. Churchill, Larry Morey)

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue

b. tk 11 If I Should Lose You - 06:02 (Leo Robin, Ralph Rainger)

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue

c. tk 15 My One And Only Love - 05:47 (Guy Wood, Robert Mellin)

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue

d. tk 20 Back In Your Own Back Yard - 08:02 (Al Jolson, Billy Rose, Dave Dreyer)

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue

e. tk 23 Born To Be Blue - 04:52 (Mel Torme, Robert Wells)

Blue Note LP 12": BST 84432 - Born To Be Blue

f. tk 24 Born To Be Blue - 04:33 (Mel Torme, Robert Wells)

g. tk 29 Cool Blues - 07:42 (Charlie Parker)

h. tk 31 Outer Space - 08:40 (Grant Green)

All titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

- Blue Note CD: CDP 7 84432 2 - Born To Be Blue (1989)

- Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

CD issue confuses recording dates. Above is from Cuscuna/Ruppli 2.

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Date: June 18, 1962

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Don Wilkerson (ldr), Don Wilkerson (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Butch Warren (b), Billy Higgins (d), Jual Curtis (tam)

a. tk 3 Jeanie-Weenie - 04:58 (Don Wilkerson)

b. tk 4 Pigeon Peas - 08:31 (Don Wilkerson)

c. tk 6 The Eldorado Shuffle - 06:23 (Don Wilkerson)

d. tk 8 Homesick Blues - 06:36 (Don Wilkerson)

e. tk 9 Camp Meetin' - 04:40 (Don Wilkerson)

f. tk 13 Dem Tambourines - 05:35 (Don Wilkerson)

All titles on: - Blue Note LP 12": BST 84107 - Preach Brother!

- Blue Note CD: 7243 5 24555 2 2 - The Complete Blue Note Sessions (2001)

Jual Curtis (tam) on e, f only.

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Date: September 7, 1962

Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ

Label: Blue Note

Grant Green (ldr), Ike Quebec (ts), Grant Green (g), Sonny Clark (p), Wendell Marshall (b), Willie 'Bobo' Correa (d), Carlos 'Patato' Valdez (cga)

a. tk 5 Granada - 06:25 (Agustín Lara, Dorothy Dodd)

b. tk 12 Hey There - 07:24 (Richard Adler, Jerry Ross)

Both titles on: - Mosaic LP 12": MR5-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

- Mosaic CD: MD4-133 - The Complete Blue Note Recordings With Sonny Clark (1991)

- Blue Note CD: CDP 7243 8 37645 2 5 - The Latin Bit (1996)

CD issue omits Clark's name from credits and misspells a. as Grenada.

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I'll say it again - the Japanese jazzdisco.org site is highly unreliable.

Mike

[Rosco]

Thanks, Michael, very thorough (as usual!)

I'll say it again - the Japanese jazzdisco.org site is highly unreliable.

Mike

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Yes, I tend to take info from that site with a grain of salt (although Blue Note's own liner notes seem little better on occasion! )

[Jim R]

"I go with September 1, 1957 on Sonny's Crib. That is what 2nd edition of Cuscuna/Ruppli gives. September 1, 1957 was a Sunday, which was generally Blue Note's day of the week at Van Gelder's. October 9, 1957 was a Wednesday."

I just noticed that my original CD version also gives October 9, 1957. Never caught the error before. I wonder if it has anything to do with those two dates being somewhat similar in numerical form... 9/1/57 and 10/9/57 (or 09/01 vs 10/09).

[Michael Fitzgerald]

That is my thought as well.

Mike