sidewinder Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Noticing that Bobby H had not featured to date in 'AOTW' and of the opinion that this is a very under-rated Hutcherson session that should be in permanent print, here it is.... I think the last time this one was put out by Blue Note was as a 'Collectors Choice' issue back in the mid 1990s, since then it's quite hard to find and has yet to be put out as a Conn or RVG. Absolutely wonderful quartet with Herbie Hancock, Albert Stinson and Joe Chambers that is stylistically quite similar to the equally fine 'Happenings'. When I first heard this one, apart from the stunning empathy between Hutch and Hancock, the rock solid and inventive bass playing from the late Albert Stinson really stood out. Joe Chambers is his usual majesterial self (both on drums and as composer ). PS - If anyone has got a good vinyl copy of the King LP for this one for sale let me know.. Also realising that 'Oblique' is currently OOP I suggest that comments relating to other Hutcherson albums of this vintage ('Components, Happenings', 'Dialogue') are also very much welcome. Edited November 20, 2004 by sidewinder Quote
Big Al Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 Saw this used about a year or so ago. Didn't pick it up. Been kicking myself ever since!!! Quote
sidewinder Posted November 20, 2004 Author Report Posted November 20, 2004 I've always been bemused by the fact that a session as great as this one was held in the can by Alfred Lion all those years until those enlightened guys at King put it out on vinyl around 15 years after it was recorded. I guess there was just too much Bobby Hutcherson material in the release pipeline at the time. Quote
sidewinder Posted November 20, 2004 Author Report Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Saw this used about a year or so ago. Didn't pick it up. Been kicking myself ever since!!! Did exactly the same when it first came out, then searched high and low for several years. My local store at the time (an A&B Sound in Canada) had the (then hot off the press) Collectors Choice issues in the rack and first time round I had to double-check that it was indeed 'Oblique'. Didn't hang around that time, just wish I'd bought 10 ! Edited November 20, 2004 by sidewinder Quote
SEK Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 My "Oblique" CD has the date 1990 at the bottom. It says that "this album was previously issued only in Japan." It was recorded in 1967 by RVG and sounds pretty damn good for a Ron McMaster digital transfer of that vintage. Of course, it's the remarkable program of music on the disk that I've been so enamored with. Hutcherson, Hancock, and Chambers had teamed up before on the classic "Components" and in the fine quartet (with Cranshaw) on "Happenings". It's hard to choose between "Oblique" and "Happenings"; I think I play "Oblique" even more than the other quartet recording because of of Albert Stinson's rare and unique voice on bass, and I always like those Chambers compositions. Quote
relyles Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 This is a great disc on the edge. Albert Stinson's work on bass was particularly impressive as someone that I had not heard before. Think I will pull this one off the shelf and give it a listen this week. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted November 21, 2004 Report Posted November 21, 2004 This is my favorite of all of Bobby's BN sessions. How it sat in the vaults, and wasn't released at the time, I'll never know. Quote
sidewinder Posted November 21, 2004 Author Report Posted November 21, 2004 Yes, a huge oversight. I wonder if this session might have been adversely impacted by the Liberty take-over and Alfred Lion's retirement? Incredible that it was just forgotten about. I'd probably give it the slight edge on 'Happenings' as well, and 'Happenings' is one of my desert island disks ! Quote
sidewinder Posted November 21, 2004 Author Report Posted November 21, 2004 (edited) Incidentally the original King LP was release was GXF 3061 from 1979. Cover art by K. Abe. The guy that did 'Pisces', 'Tippin' the Scales' etc. I don't think they lasted long in the UK shops...whatever few random import copies managed to breach this citadel that is. Edited November 21, 2004 by sidewinder Quote
JohnS Posted November 22, 2004 Report Posted November 22, 2004 Mine's a King vinyl. Great to be spurred on to play this one again and be reminded what a wonderful album this is. It starts quietly but after that it's mostly all high energy pushed on by Joe Chambers great drums. This has got to be one Hutcherson's best dates and as Sidewinder says it should be permanently inprint. Albert Stinson? A Hutcherson regular or a sub? Whatever, he adds a lot to the date. Great choice Sidewinder, thanks. Quote
sidewinder Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Posted November 23, 2004 (edited) John - I think Stinson must have been a sub. Wasn't he part of the Coryell/Chico Hamilton bands of the vintage? A huge, pivotal sound on the bass. Too bad he passed away very young (probably not too many years after this session). To my mind, Joe Chambers drum work is also captured beautifully on this particular recording. Edited November 23, 2004 by sidewinder Quote
JohnS Posted November 24, 2004 Report Posted November 24, 2004 Too bad that all vinyl doesn't sound like this. Quote
Big Al Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Up for discussion now that the RVG of this session hits the stands today! Quote
MartyJazz Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Up for discussion now that the RVG of this session hits the stands today! ← I saw this in a local Border's yesterday. Surprisingly, the cover is entirely different than the one previously used on the Japanese vinyl and earlier CD. Quote
Guy Berger Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 As soon as yourmusic gets this, it's going into my queue. Guy Quote
Soul Stream Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Up for discussion now that the RVG of this session hits the stands today! ← I saw this in a local Border's yesterday. Surprisingly, the cover is entirely different than the one previously used on the Japanese vinyl and earlier CD. ← Yeah, the new cover sucks. Quote
Big Al Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 At least they fixed the typo. Bad cover or not, this is definitely one I’m not gonna wait for yourmusic to get! Quote
Soul Stream Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 At least they fixed the typo. Bad cover or not, this is definitely one I’m not gonna wait for yourmusic to get! ← You mean Herbie HanDcock is not on this one now...well, I'm not getting it then. Quote
JSngry Posted August 3, 2005 Report Posted August 3, 2005 Albert Stinson, yeah! Him and Gabor & Chico, yeah! Quote
vibes Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 How does the RVG sound compared to the previous CD issue? Quote
Big Deal Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 Here we go again, this place is definitly hard on my wallet. Another order to go and I haven't even listened to all of the last CDs I recieved from J&R's last sale that I heard about here. Oh well, I may die broke but at least my daughter likes Jazz. Quote
Gary Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 At least they fixed the typo. Bad cover or not, this is definitely one I’m not gonna wait for yourmusic to get! ← You mean Herbie HanDcock is not on this one now...well, I'm not getting it then. ← Mr Handcock is on the copy that I received from Amazon UK today. Quote
sidewinder Posted August 4, 2005 Author Report Posted August 4, 2005 Splendid. I'll stick my order in right now ! Quote
Soul Stream Posted August 4, 2005 Report Posted August 4, 2005 What's this session like? I've got a lot of Bobby and a lot of Herbie...don't listen to THAT much of either as a leader. Don't feel compelled to buy this unless it's considerabley different from other output. Quote
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