jamn Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I am trying to find CDs of Don Ellis's Tears of Joy and Autumn. I have them on vinyl and have been looking for CD reissues for years. Can anyone help me? Go Pistons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I've got some sweet CDRs, Autumn made from the French CD reissue of yrs ago, and Tears of Joy from vinyl, you won't know though. I will be in touch later this week. I have the Fillmore album as well. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 You have the Fillmore album? Sigh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Autumn was on French Columbia CD COL 472622 2. Shock Treatment was on Koch Jazz CD KOC CD-8590. Electric Bath was on Columbia Legacy CD CK 65522. All other Columbia LPs of Don Ellis were never reissued on CD anywhere in the world, AFAIK. Some retailer told me it may have to do with the Ellis estate sitting on the publishing rights, making licensing for reissue difficult. Don Ellis at Fillmore and Tears of Joy are great! If you have them on vinyl, why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 I want somebody to see if Columbia taped the entire concert that gave us those two cuts from AUTUMN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Some retailer told me it may have to do with the Ellis estate sitting on the publishing rights, making licensing for reissue difficult. If you are talking about "music publishing rights" this does not hold water. By US law, once a tune has been recorded, any version is possible if statutory rates are paid. The publisher can only control the right to first recording. If your friend meant "artist rights", I do not believe Ellis had enough clout to get a special deal from Columbia at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Would Electric Bath have an even 2% chance of getting reissued today? We'll never see those other LPs on disc, I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Would Electric Bath have an even 2% chance of getting reissued today? It is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 I don't understand the above - Electric Bath *was* reissued in the US - and by Columbia no less, not by Koch - my copy says 1998. I haven't seen a drastic change in Columbia's policy since then. If we were talking about the difference between the days of the Verve Elites and now, that would be a different story. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 I always wondered why CBS/Sony hasn't released "At Fillmore", myself. I do have the vinyl, fortunately. Also, where's the CD of Maynard's "MF Horn 4 & 5 - Live at Jimmy's"? Another smokin' live, big band date that's dying to be reissued! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Sorry, I must clarify. I was referring to the long past heyday of jazz reissuance on CD. Even as I sit here listening to the delightful new reissue of The Cry of My People by Archie Shepp, I just don't see Columbia and the big labels continuing to "put it all out there" for our consumption at low/negative margin. After Electric Bath came out, there were expectations that Columbia would do Tears of Joy and Autumn. Then nothing. There are of course lots of terrific jazz LPs that will never be reissued on CD due to low demand, but I get very hung up on monopoly control where there is no alternative market. Perhaps that will change with digital rights technology, on-line distribution, etc. but time is wasting and so are the tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamn Posted April 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 (edited) Here is the Ellis discography. Still cannot understand for the life of me why the best ones have not been reissued. Official Don Ellis Website How Time Passes 1960 Candid CCD-79004 (1987) Out of Nowhere 1961 Candid CCD-79032 (1989) New Ideas 1961 New Jazz OJCCD-431-2 (1992) Essence 1962 Live at Monterey 1966 EMD/Blue Note 94768 (1998)* Live in 32/3 /4 Time 1966 Pacific Jazz CD23996 (2000)* Electric Bath 1967 GNP Crescendo 2223 (1994)* Shock Treatment 1968 Koch Jazz CD-8590 (2001)* Autumn 1968 The New Don Ellis Band Goes Underground 1969 Don Ellis at Fillmore 1970 Tears of Joy 1971 Connection 1972 Soaring 1973 Haiku 1973 Music From Other Galaxies and Planets 1977 Live at Montreux 1977 Koch Jazz CD-51410 (2002)* *CD reissue contains more tracks than the original release Edited April 20, 2004 by jamn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 This Don Ellis site is nice, but not up to date: The list omits the Legacy reissue of Electric Bath I posted above. Then there is a CD with the soundtrack of "French Connection", music that was not on the Connection LP, but this is only for diehard Ellis collectors. Responding to Chuck's comments: You're probably right. It was more of a speculation on my friends' side. I'd rather think that Columbia doesn't see too much sales potential - that they didn't continue after Electric Bath and Koch doing Shock Treatment suggests this. Bob Belden, who produced the Bath reissue, reducing his activities as a reissue producer after his automobile accident, may be another factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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