kh1958 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I noticed that dustygroove.com has two of Gene Shaw's Argo Lps for sale. They're both good ones that don't turn up very often. Breakthrough was recorded on October 11, 1962 and features Sherman Morrison on tenor sax, James Taylor on piano, Sidney Robinson on bass, and Barnard Martin on drums. This LP has some really great tracks (Autumn Walk, Six Bits, the Thing, and It's a Long Way are my favorites). There has not been any CD reissue of this LP, to my knowledge. Carnival Sketches was recorded May 11 and July 17, 1964. This one was out briefly as a Japanese CD reissue. This is a sort of Latin record, but don't be deterred, the first side of this LP is great--it's a side-long suite composed by Richard Evans, and featuring Shaw's beautiful trumpet. Gene Shaw -- Breakthrough . . . LP . . . $39.99 (Item: 19831) Argo, 1962 Condition: Very Good+ View Cart We love this record! Gene Shaw was an obscure trumpet player who was also known as Clarence Shaw, and who played with Mingus (on Tijuana Moods and other sessions) before Mingus threatened his life, and he had to move to Chicago and change his name! (This can be verified in the liner notes to the 1963 release of Tijuana Moods, in which Mingus says that he loved Shaw, but can't get in touch with him anymore.) In Chicago, Shaw merged with the city's great scene of underground soul jazz players, and created 3 amazing recordings for Chess/Argo -- one of which is this album! The session sparkles with lyricism and imagination, and with a groove that mixes soul jazz rhythm with edgey modernist soloing. Highlights include the cuts "Autum Walk", "Six Bits", "The Thing", and "Our Tune". (Original Argo pressing. Cover has a bit of tape on 2 corners, and 2 edges, plus some light wear -- and pen notations on the back cover.)Gene Shaw -- Carnival Sketches . . . LP . . . $11.99 (Item: 5243) Just Reduced! Argo, 1964 Condition: Very Good- View Cart Excellent LP by one of the lost trumpet talents of the 60's! Gene "Clarence" Shaw played with Mingus, until the big one scared him away, and he fled to Chicago and started recording LPs for Argo. All of the LPs are great, and this one's a rare treat featuring a cool set of compositions and arrangements by Richard Evans that have a groovy Latiny feel to them. Evans plays bass, and Charles Stepney's on vibes. Shaw is stunning throughout, and this set makes you wonder why Mingus didn't come out to Chicago and re-hire him on the spot. Cuts include "Ain't That Soul", "Goin Back Home", "Goin' Downtown", and "Cha Bossa". Tough one to find! (Original blue label Argo pressing.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Thanks for the notice. I just ordered them. Will turn them into cds if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted September 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I hope you enjoy them. It took a pretty long search before I found all three of these, but it was worth it. Thanks for the notice. I just ordered them. Will turn them into cds if I can. ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Three!!! What's the third one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted September 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 (edited) Yes, there's Debut in Blues, which features a sextet. This was the second of the three. I have it in two LPs, the original Argo, and a Chess reissue (the latter being one of those cheapo reissue Chess pressings). I don't think there's been a CD reissue. I believe both Breakthrough and Debut in Blues feature Mr. Shaw's working band of the time. The repertoire is mostly originals by band members, and both the compositions and playing, by mostly unfamiliar names, are at a high level. Three!!! What's the third one? ← Edited September 19, 2005 by kh1958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Debut in Blues has Herb Wise on trombone, Jay Peters on tenor sax, Jim Taylor on piano, Sid Robinson on bass and Jerold Donavon on drums, and was recorded on July 8, 1963. According to the liner notes, Gene Shaw was from Detroit. He cites among his most memorable engagements two weeks in Detroit with Lester Young. His favorite trumpet player is Freddie Webster. Mr. Shaw plays a Student Olds trumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Rarely seen photo of Clarence Gene Shaw. This is not an original cover for this LP, btw! This cover is from an Italian reissue pressed in the 1980s. These are the original covers for all three Argo LPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs-tom Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 i just put yesterday the breakthrough title on my want on ebay ! bidding on that one already. euclid records (seller on ebay) has 3 titles of him for auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 i just put yesterday the breakthrough title on my want on ebay ! bidding on that one already. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 i just put yesterday the breakthrough title on my want on ebay ! bidding on that one already. euclid records (seller on ebay) has 3 titles of him for auction. That's funny - I also bought my copy of Breakthrough from euclid on eBay about a year ago. I like it very much. Later I found a copy of Carnival Sketches. Still lookin' for Debut in Blues. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Still lookin' for Debut in Blues. Good luck! You'll probably not need to spend a lot ! Found my NM copy at 19.99 $ on Ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 In a couple of weeks I will be listing some interesting LPs for sale. A VG+ Mono pressing of the Carnival Sketches will be amongst them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 In a couple of weeks I will be listing some interesting LPs for sale. A VG+ Mono pressing of the Carnival Sketches will be amongst them. I really like the first side of Carnival Sketches. Is there such a thing as a Near Mint Argo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 In a couple of weeks I will be listing some interesting LPs for sale. A VG+ Mono pressing of the Carnival Sketches will be amongst them. I really like the first side of Carnival Sketches. Is there such a thing as a Near Mint Argo? Stay tuned. I will let you know in a few days. This will be BIG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Just finished listening to Carnival Sketches. "Pretty" is a word that doesn't have a good ring to it, but this album is pretty in all the best ways. Why oh why weren't Shaw's other two Argo albums reissued on CD?! I'd like to hear them, but my vinyl days have ground to a halt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 why did mingus wanna kill him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Who did Mingus not want to kill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 why did mingus wanna kill him? Because Shaw could not make it to a 1958 record session with Langston Hugues and Mingus. Shaw had the flu and could not go, he tried to phone Mingus but could not reach him. Mingus called Shaw and threatened him. He later apologized to Shaw. Shaw refused to rejoin the Mingus band. This is described in the Gene Santoro book on Mingus 'Myself When I Am Real'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybleaden Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 (edited) I have the Argo Carnival Date and quite like it. Maybe the Argo label is the stamp collection I never had but need to turn to after I finished all the others! I like the Ain't that Soul and Going back home sides in particular Edited April 12, 2007 by andybleaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 why did mingus wanna kill him? Because Shaw could not make it to a 1958 record session with Langston Hugues and Mingus. Shaw had the flu and could not go, he tried to phone Mingus but could not reach him. Mingus called Shaw and threatened him. He later apologized to Shaw. Shaw refused to rejoin the Mingus band. This is described in the Gene Santoro book on Mingus 'Myself When I Am Real'. wonder who called the Andorreans and threatened them away from Gene Shaws Argo LPs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 (edited) I wouldn't worry about a Mingus threat, as apparently he threatend to kill everyone at one time or another - Edited April 12, 2007 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybleaden Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 how do we know he did not suceed hmmmmmmmmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 wonder who called the Andorreans and threatened them away from Gene Shaws Argo LPs... Not so sure about this As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised to see the Gene Shaw sessions appearing on one of the Andorrean label pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted April 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 wonder who called the Andorreans and threatened them away from Gene Shaws Argo LPs... Not so sure about this As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised to see the Gene Shaw sessions appearing on one of the Andorrean label pretty soon. Don't they need a prior CD reissue to steal? I don't think there has been one for Debut in Blues or Breakthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Don't they need a prior CD reissue to steal? I don't think there has been one for Debut in Blues or Breakthrough. Not true! Jazz Factory has released Gerald Wilson 'Big Band Modern' It included a previously unissued live date and a 1954 album that had not been reissued on CD before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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