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My record collection is small and split across three shelves. The shelves are "Nice Jazz" (also including some Classical), "Evil Jazz" and "Not-Jazz". The evil jazz section is divided off so that my wife knows not to play those records when friends around, although she sometimes does for effect. Oddly the 6 year has recently started to explore Evil Jazz. Not sure what he really gets out of it.

sure, there are grey areas and incomplete stories around sexual violence and I would never argue with that. But I find it hard to doubt the basic framework in a story of someone who was assaulted. And yeah, Getz & Grimes' closeness has been documented -- they left for California together in 1966 -- so maybe he wrote it down somewhere.  and not to pile upon Hubbard, but at the very least his drinking and cocaine use, and penchant for being rather 'out of it', are fairly well-established. Not that alcoholism/cocaine use equal sexual abuser, but people hopped up on shit do some very uncool things.

Yes they do. It’s a huge problem and way more common with men than with woman. The whole me too discussion made very clear how big this problem is. I can’t remember denying this anywhere as this was not what we were talking about Clifford. We were discussing the particular Hubbard/Gets case. Now in that case the men are rapists, Freddie was a man so he was probably a rapist argument is what I call a false argument and ignoring my other arguments isn’t fair as well.  all we are doing here is interpreting, interpreting and interpreting. Her story sounds plausible, it sounds sincere, it was too late to harm Hubbard so it must be true. We assume she might stopped her career because of it. Who are we to decide. We didn’t knew Getz, we didn’t knew Hubbard, we weren’t around. Who are we to judge? These cases could be very complicated.  We simply can’t judge if it’s plausible or not. It really seems to be a phenomenon of this time that everybody has an opinion on everything and just state that that’s the way it is without any evidence nor real arguments. With just some information from an interview, newspaper or a book as ‘hard evidence’.  I am probably not going to convince anyone around here and I am surprised to see that I stand alone in this case. I could only say that if this story is true, I feel incredibly sorry for Jane Getz that she became the billionth victim of a man that couldn’t control himself. 

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